Suicide Forum

Also, hi sweet Champagne. ♡ Sending hugs and lots of love!

Heeey sweetnesss hello sending lots of love, hugs, warm vibes, hope you're doing great @Auri have missed you, have missed a lot of people here, it's impossible to stay away from SF but hey why would I want to? SF is an addiction, an addiction to brilliant minds, people with understanding, compassionate hearts, addiction to a place of belonging, an addiction to people who are sincere and true friends...like you wo make a positive impact on others lives without wanting anything in return. Bless you honey, hope we get to catch up soon. Miss your hugs, your unique, interesting and extraordinary personality. With love, champagne 💕💦💦💦

Some thoughts came together and solidified for me, so allow me to share them with you if you will.

I am an aspie, so I have spent my life studying people, trying to figure out how they work, they all seem to have been born with a manual on how to be a person and I just wasnt, so I had to watch them and learn. After 10 years I learned to imitate them, after 20 years I learned to be like them, and after 30 years I have seen through them and realised that what I saw as the "manual to being a human" is just a farce, they have no more idea than I do, they just seem to find it so easy because they dont care that they are getting it so completely wrong, and seem to get on so well with each other because there are more of them than of aspies. The more I look at the world around me, the more I am convinced that mankind, far from knowing how to be people, are clinically and measurably insane. I see people basing their beliefs on what they wish was true rather than endless overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I see people deliberately and consistently making the worst choice available I see people stumbling through life and cursing life for getting in the way when they walk into every problem they could have avoided if they just thought about it, I see friends betray each other on whims and instead value the praise of people they dont know, I have seen people convinced of their innocence even during committing a crime, I have seen people value the appearance of skill over actual growth as a person, I have seen the never ending madness of a species that, now that I think about it, I am surprised has survived this long, they are all absolute lunatics and the only reason they get to call themselves "sane" is because there are so many of them that they are the ones who got to define "sanity".

Then I come here.

On SF I dont see unstable or crazy people, I dont see worthless people, I dont see weak people, or any of the other things people are always calling themselves on here. When I come to SF I see a group of the only sane people I know. People suffering under the constant barrage of madness of the world around them, people who cant take living in a world were the insane define sanity, where nothing ever makes sense and "justice" is simultaneously a high ideal and a joke. I come here and I see considered people, thinking about right and wrong, really evaluating their lives and themselves and asking the important questions, "am I a good person?", "why is the world the way it is?", "what is my fellow human thinking and feeling?", "what if anything can I do to make things better for myself?", "what can I do to help others?", "why am I alive?" These are famously the thoughts of the greatest thinkers and philosophers in history, Socrates even said "An unexamined life is not worth living" and yet here is the only place I see anyone living up to that ideal. This is a place full of the sane, the just, the noble and the good. People who are shunned because they know who they are rather than relying on others to tell them, people who are hurt by those they try so hard to help, people who were attacked by their protectors, people who cant see how truly wonderful they are because the standards they hold themselves to is just too high, and their base idea for what a person is just too virtuous so they discount all their virtues as just common acts and all their failings as deep shame. I come here even when I dont NEED to because here is where I can always count on finding people worth knowing.

If, in my day to day life, I was surrounded with the calibre of people I find on SF every single day, I would have lived a much happier, easier and better life than I do.

Dante, I just had an opportunity to read this. You amaze me! What a wonderful way to comprehend this site and this world. Thank you!

You're welcome, and thank you for being one of the sane that make me (begrudgingly) unable to give up on humanity as a species.

Sanity is not popular, because it means facing some harsh truths and making some hard decisions, it is the strong who do those things and suffer as a result, and the weak take the easy route and live happy hypocritical and self-involved lives as a result. After a while it just became too obvious to ignore.

Sometimes accepting who you are and even, dare I say it, coming to like some things about yourself, allows you to stop putting such overly high value on the random ravings of others JUST because they are the majority. And to you, and everyone, I ask that you stick around to stop these crazies becoming even more the majority. The less people like you there are in the world, the harder it is for the rest of us to survive.

I have found that the most nurturing, brightest, empathetic, wonderful human beings are the ones who have depression or other types of mental illness (if that's what you want to call it). We are different in so many ways - so many good ways. If I had a chance to be like one of the idiots in the world and not have depression anymore, I wouldn't take it. I like who I am. I like that I care about certain people. I like feeling good about myself and making others feel good. Am I a doormat? Not any more, just someone who cares. And you Dante are the same. Thank you - don't change!!

Depression isn't a requisite to good behaviour, its just that when you don't value yourself you naturally value others more, I'm not actually depressed anymore though. I found my "answer" and I know how to "disarm" my depression. You dont need to be depressed to be sane, its just that being sane in a world of nutters is depressing :P

The more I look at the world around me, the more I am convinced that mankind, far from knowing how to be people, are clinically and measurably insane.

Hopefully it's okay to resurrect threads every now and then. I was reading what you wrote (got here from your signature) and this bit



reminded me of something I read once:

It is proposed that happiness be classified as a psychiatric disorder and be included in future editions of the major diagnostic manuals under the new name: major affective disorder, pleasant type. In a review of the relevant literature it is shown that happiness is statistically abnormal, consists of a discrete cluster of symptoms, is associated with a range of cognitive abnormalities, and probably reflects the abnormal functioning of the central nervous system. One possible objection to this proposal remains--that happiness is not negatively valued. However, this objection is dismissed as scientifically irrelevant.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1619629/

Sometimes I do think people who aren't suicidal every now and then just aren't paying attention. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Every day I am reminded of the character "Wonko the sane" from Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy, who built his house inside out, with benches and plants inside and office furnature and wallpaper on the outside. His reasoning was that the world was quite mentally ill so he built an asylum to put it in.

Well said, @Dante!