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Ideas & Opinions "You are not alone" isn't the phrase you think it is.

AnHeroTransGirl

Well-Known Member
#1
Now for the record, I'm not targeting anyone who uses this phrase and I'm not saying people who say this are bad people or insensitive, I'm sure they mean well. This is just my thoughts and I want to see if anyone else sees what I mean and understands. One thing that people often say to those who are suicidal is "You're not alone". This is a phrase used to convey empathy and understanding. However to me it does not convey such. All it conveys is that your problems are inevitable, unfixable roadblocks that everyone either continuously suffers from or ends their life over. There is no solution to that problem and you're only gonna keep suffering from it like a thorn in your side. I know people don't actually mean this but I feel like this is what's actually being said when someone says "You're not alone", that is what's being conveyed to me. "You're stuck with this problem, we all are, suck it up."
 

Oizys Moros

Well-Known Member
#2
I get where you’re coming from. I am hurting my brain trying to recall any certain situation where this could apply properly. I can only think of a loved one’s death when family are agonizing


My peeves are phrases like
“it could be worse”
“Someone has it worse than you”

My therapist used that so much. I abso-effing-lutely hated it.

It’s not a competition and someone having it worse doesn’t lessen the impact my situation has on me.

…..know that “you’re not alone “ in this thought process
*hysterical*stars
laugh with me please
I meant it jokingly 🫣
 

AnHeroTransGirl

Well-Known Member
#3
I get where you’re coming from. I am hurting my brain trying to recall any certain situation where this could apply properly. I can only think of a loved one’s death when family are agonizing


My peeves are phrases like
“it could be worse”
“Someone has it worse than you”

My therapist used that so much. I abso-effing-lutely hated it.

It’s not a competition and someone having it worse doesn’t lessen the impact my situation has on me.

…..know that “you’re not alone “ in this thought process
*hysterical*stars
laugh with me please
I meant it jokingly 🫣
I'm glad someone who isn't me understands that. I guess more of a reason for me to be wary of "professionals"
 

Lekatt

Love Cats Love All
SF Supporter
#4
When I use the phrase "you are not alone" I am not offering sympathy or understanding. I am using it literally meaning there is someone with you all the time watching over you. We all have a spiritual guide that is with us at all times. We are spiritual by nature only visiting the physical for the purpose of learning about ourselves and others.
 

AnHeroTransGirl

Well-Known Member
#5
When I use the phrase "you are not alone" I am not offering sympathy or understanding. I am using it literally meaning there is someone with you all the time watching over you. We all have a spiritual guide that is with us at all times. We are spiritual by nature only visiting the physical for the purpose of learning about ourselves and others.
I see what you mean. Though that kinda brings up the fact that people are so anti-religious nowadays. I understand people have traumas with puritan parents but the fact that it's kneecapping the message of "your guardian angel is gonna help you through this" (which ACTUALLY sounds helpful and not condescending) into "You're not alone" really shows how sensitive people have gotten and how that sensitivity has actively hurt people more.
 

1964dodge

Has a monkey as a friend
Safety & Support
SF Supporter
#6
I get where you’re coming from. I am hurting my brain trying to recall any certain situation where this could apply properly. I can only think of a loved one’s death when family are agonizing


My peeves are phrases like
“it could be worse”
“Someone has it worse than you”

My therapist used that so much. I abso-effing-lutely hated it.

It’s not a competition and someone having it worse doesn’t lessen the impact my situation has on me.

…..know that “you’re not alone “ in this thought process
*hysterical*stars
laugh with me please
I meant it jokingly 🫣
you are right we don't need to be reminded that it can be worse, of course it could be worse. as for someone has it worse it's true but saying that doesn't help, we should never be compared to others. although i won't say that to others or i try not to i think that to myself sometimes. when the pain/illness gets really bad i remind myself some others are worse and how lucky i am that i live in a country where i can get medical help and meds, it helps a little.

mike....*hug*shake
 

1964dodge

Has a monkey as a friend
Safety & Support
SF Supporter
#7
i do say you are not alone or more accurately i say you aren't alone anymore you have us to talk to. it's not the same as irl but people can connect here with people that care.

mike
 
#8
I tend to use the phrase in the sense of: you are not alone because there are people who know how you feel not just because they are going through it but because there are those that have been through it. I think once you have experienced something you are part of the group that knows how that something feels forever, even after that something has passed. I try to use the phrase "you are not alone" when I'm trying to convey the idea that I've been in similar places, I know how much that sucked to deal with, and I'm here for you while you fight to make it through
 

LumberJack

Huggy Bear 🐻
#9
One thing that people often say to those who are suicidal is "You're not alone". This is a phrase used to convey empathy and understanding. However to me it does not convey such. All it conveys is that your problems are inevitable, unfixable roadblocks that everyone either continuously suffers from or ends their life over. There is no solution to that problem and you're only gonna keep suffering from it like a thorn in your side.
TL;DR version: If it is a blithe suggestion from someone who cannot empathize with our condition, then I disregard it. By contrast, if they have or are in a similar place, then I take it as, “You are not alone; I/we are with you and understand.”

Long-ass version:
I may have an idea of what you’re getting at. All too often, people who don’t experience powerful impulses to self-destruct offer unhelpful and even damaging advice to people who are struggling.

As you have already intuited, they usually mean well. The main reasons for the useless suggestions is that they are uncomfortable such that they want to “solve” the problem by suggesting what they think we should do, and/or they don’t understand the struggle with pain that is so intolerable that we can only see death as a way out.

However, we don’t have to take their discomfort and assumptions on board. Telling us to just suck it up, or almost any suggestion that starts with “just…” is like telling someone with a broken leg to “just” walk it off. I know that it’s painful to not feel understood. We all need to feel “heard” so to say, and someone can only feel heard when the other person understands that pain from the inside.

So - with all that said, when I hear “you are not alone” from people who share my problems, I do usually find it soothing. People in SF are a self-selecting group in that we sought out a place where we could discuss our experiences with others in the same boat, and stuck around because SF helps.
 
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AnHeroTransGirl

Well-Known Member
#12
i do say you are not alone or more accurately i say you aren't alone anymore you have us to talk to. it's not the same as irl but people can connect here with people that care.

mike
I mean that's not much better as it's just the same message but more specific without getting rid of the problem.
I tend to use the phrase in the sense of: you are not alone because there are people who know how you feel not just because they are going through it but because there are those that have been through it. I think once you have experienced something you are part of the group that knows how that something feels forever, even after that something has passed. I try to use the phrase "you are not alone" when I'm trying to convey the idea that I've been in similar places, I know how much that sucked to deal with, and I'm here for you while you fight to make it through
Yeah but there's still that case of "it's a known problem and there's probably no fixing it"
TL;DR version: If it is a blithe suggestion from someone who cannot empathize with our condition, then I disregard it. By contrast, if they have or are in a similar place, then I take it as, “You are not alone; I/we are with you and understand.”

Long-ass version:
I may have an idea of what you’re getting at. All too often, people who don’t experience powerful impulses to self-destruct offer unhelpful and even damaging advice to people who are struggling.

As you have already intuited, they usually mean well. The main reasons for the useless suggestions is that they are uncomfortable such that they want to “solve” the problem by suggesting what they think we should do, and/or they don’t understand the struggle with pain that is so intolerable that we can only see death as a way out.

However, we don’t have to take their discomfort and assumptions on board. Telling us to just suck it up, or almost any suggestion that starts with “just…” is like telling someone with a broken leg to “just” walk it off. I know that it’s painful to not feel understood. We all need to feel “heard” so to say, and someone can only feel heard when the other person understands that pain from the inside.

So - with all that said, when I hear “you are not alone” from people who share my problems, I do usually find it soothing. People in SF are a self-selecting group in that we sought out a place where we could discuss our experiences with others in the same boat, and stuck around because SF helps.
Eh, I'd rather just not hear it at all and receive an actual solution rather than the mental health equivalent of "just move out"
 

Oizys Moros

Well-Known Member
#13
….. but if there is an actual solution the solution is always TIME

Time doesn’t make it go away. It’s time passing causing the problem to be shifted underneath new problems.

A never ending cycle 🔁 🔃 🔄 constantly rotating in all directions
 

AnHeroTransGirl

Well-Known Member
#14
….. but if there is an actual solution the solution is always TIME

Time doesn’t make it go away. It’s time passing causing the problem to be shifted underneath new problems.

A never ending cycle 🔁 🔃 🔄 constantly rotating in all directions
I mean the passing of time clearly fixes nothing in my life and only makes me feel old so yeah
 

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