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What if your goals in life lead to failure?

Jsinjin

SF Supporter
#1
To start, I hate cognitive therapy. Really dislike it above all else. I do not like going to a counselor and having them constantly ask me what I think. I have a lot of years of college, therapy and success in life and I’m at a point where I really need help and the therapist asking me what I think something means is absolutely not helping me. Same thing with trying to put on rose colored glasses about events and look at them in a different light.

None of these are my goals;

what if your goal was “win an Olympic gold medal”

“write a best selling novel with over 1 million sales”

“become a senator”

“Become CEO of a fortune 100 company”

“run 100 meters in under 10 seconds”

“become the first person to set foot on mars”

“record a top 40 song”

“sell your company for over 100 million dollars”

“develop a cure for a type of cancer”

Or any other thing

Then you spent every waking moment working only on that goal. No fun, no stepping outside your diet, you sacrificed everything to reach that goal and you failed

How do you cognitively fix the fact that this accomplishment was your only goal. You don’t care about the journey or the things you learned along the way or the parts that made you happy or unhappy. Your only goal live or die was that success or failure. The hallmark was success. Someone else had the same goal and they beat you and succeeded and you failed. That’s it. The time can’t be made up, you are 50 plus years old, you can’t get the time back, you can’t redo it, there isn’t a lesson to be learned and that’s it.

what if that was specifically the only thing you cared about in your life to the point that if you don’t reach it you really don’t care about living or anything else. I don’t want to learn to “accept and smile” about it. I want to know what plan I should specifically undertake to rationalize the black and white view of fail vs succeed when that was the very only thing I cared about. Money, food, family, friends, country and more matter zero to me but that one goal was it and I failed. And it’s all I think about day in and day out. The thousands of hours of work weren’t a joy. The thousand of hours of work were a sacrifice only for that goal. The success in life never once mattered. I wrote the goal every day in every notebook. I worked and worked and worked at it forgoing social interactions, health and activities and that’s it.

ao if that’s it, how do you get over it without some sort of happiness budda philosophical convention in cognitive distortion. All the books about success talk about the vision and sacrifice of the goal. Most indicate that if you don’t succeed it’s because youdiidjt want it enough.
What then especially if the starting point was that the goal was all that mattered.
 
#2
Money, food, family, friends, country and more matter zero to me but that one goal was it and I failed. And it’s all I think about day in and day out. The thousands of hours of work weren’t a joy. The thousand of hours of work were a sacrifice only for that goal. The success in life never once mattered. I wrote the goal every day in every notebook. I worked and worked and worked at it forgoing social interactions, health and activities and that’s it.
What was the one goal?
 

Jsinjin

SF Supporter
#3
It really doesn’t matter. My problem is that I focus on it so much. And then I focus on other things. Pick your problem (making these up): “I want to be a billionaire by the time I’m 30”, “I want to go to Harvard”, “I want to win the Van cliburn piano competition”, “I want to be the first person on mars”, “I want to get a billion dollar drug through the fda”.
The point is that I set that king. I’d goal every day. It’s black or white. Pass or fail. I am often in a position with the people I work for and with where investors will say “will you personally guarantee that this and this and this metric will be accomplished by date xyz” knowing that they will not fund the initiative if you say no and that it’s a very high likelihood of failure if you say yes. It’s very common in the investment world.
 

Lekatt

Love Cats Love All
SF Supporter
#4
I have always felt that I would come into a lot of money and could do as I wanted with my life.

I did own a business, but it went bankrupt. No money there.
I did write a book, but it did not sell.
I am now writing song lyrics, but no money yet.

I am 87 now, but I have not given up. There is still a chance with the lyrics.

I am not troubled by this at all. In my life I have helped a lot of other people with their goals. If I die tomorrow I feel I have lived a successful life.

I don't wear rose colored glasses. I can tell the difference between the good and the bad. I choose to follow the good. I choose to be happy.
 

Pearl12

Well-Known Member
#6
what if that was specifically the only thing you cared about in your life to the point that if you don’t reach it you really don’t care about living or anything else. I don’t want to learn to “accept and smile” about it. I want to know what plan I should specifically undertake to rationalize the black and white view of fail vs succeed when that was the very only thing I cared about. Money, food, family, friends, country and more matter zero to me but that one goal was it and I failed. And it’s all I think about day in and day out. The thousands of hours of work weren’t a joy. The thousand of hours of work were a sacrifice only for that goal. The success in life never once mattered. I wrote the goal every day in every notebook. I worked and worked and worked at it forgoing social interactions, health and activities and that’s it.

ao if that’s it, how do you get over it without some sort of happiness budda philosophical convention in cognitive distortion. All the books about success talk about the vision and sacrifice of the goal. Most indicate that if you don’t succeed it’s because youdiidjt want it enough.
What then especially if the starting point was that the goal was all that mattered.
Sounds like you think you fucked up. Okay. Maybe you did. Is perseverating on that helpful?

Sounds like you don't see a silver lining. Okay. Maybe there isn't one. Is perserverating on that helpful?

I would mourn that I made a mistake in sacrificing everything - "money, food, family friends, country and more." I would grieve the things I gave up. And eventually, hopefully, I would forgive myself. And make the most of the time I had left, now being wiser for the mistake I had made.
 

Gard

Well-Known Member
#7
To start, I hate cognitive therapy. Really dislike it above all else. I do not like going to a counselor and having them constantly ask me what I think. I have a lot of years of college, therapy and success in life and I’m at a point where I really need help and the therapist asking me what I think something means is absolutely not helping me. Same thing with trying to put on rose colored glasses about events and look at them in a different light.

None of these are my goals;

what if your goal was “win an Olympic gold medal”

“write a best selling novel with over 1 million sales”

“become a senator”

“Become CEO of a fortune 100 company”

“run 100 meters in under 10 seconds”

“become the first person to set foot on mars”

“record a top 40 song”

“sell your company for over 100 million dollars”

“develop a cure for a type of cancer”

Or any other thing

Then you spent every waking moment working only on that goal. No fun, no stepping outside your diet, you sacrificed everything to reach that goal and you failed

How do you cognitively fix the fact that this accomplishment was your only goal. You don’t care about the journey or the things you learned along the way or the parts that made you happy or unhappy. Your only goal live or die was that success or failure. The hallmark was success. Someone else had the same goal and they beat you and succeeded and you failed. That’s it. The time can’t be made up, you are 50 plus years old, you can’t get the time back, you can’t redo it, there isn’t a lesson to be learned and that’s it.

what if that was specifically the only thing you cared about in your life to the point that if you don’t reach it you really don’t care about living or anything else. I don’t want to learn to “accept and smile” about it. I want to know what plan I should specifically undertake to rationalize the black and white view of fail vs succeed when that was the very only thing I cared about. Money, food, family, friends, country and more matter zero to me but that one goal was it and I failed. And it’s all I think about day in and day out. The thousands of hours of work weren’t a joy. The thousand of hours of work were a sacrifice only for that goal. The success in life never once mattered. I wrote the goal every day in every notebook. I worked and worked and worked at it forgoing social interactions, health and activities and that’s it.

ao if that’s it, how do you get over it without some sort of happiness budda philosophical convention in cognitive distortion. All the books about success talk about the vision and sacrifice of the goal. Most indicate that if you don’t succeed it’s because youdiidjt want it enough.
What then especially if the starting point was that the goal was all that mattered.
You've listed such goals, the odds of which are like a casino. Someone wins at it, of course. Sometimes. But the casino always wins.
If you succeed, you will be set as an example to other people (the remaining 95%). If you failed, at the very least you wasted money on your goals and your health. Now the doctors are making money off of you.
In my opinion, all these modern theories of goals and achievements are a global and cynical deception in which the casino always wins. And I really don't like it. I feel angry about it.
And I also don't like the fact that almost all people go along with it.
 

Jsinjin

SF Supporter
#8
It’s all true but I’ve found it’s hard to just make the change as decades of depression and patterns of self evaluation are always there.

sadly it also seems to pass on to subsequent generations as well.
I have great health except the bouts of suicidal ideation.

I once read a book called the subtle art of not giving a f*ck which started off with the premise that “you are not special and never will be” and introduced a character called disappointment panda that walked in and told the truth about everything to everyone. And it was the most disappointing, nihilism-producing experience I’ve ever had.

I jump from “I need to accomplish” to “nothing ever done or that will be done will ever matter and I may as well just give up now”. I wind up saying “will what I do matter in 500 years” and I compare myself to a peasant in someplace like medieval France who lived his life, did nothing of importance and died and whether he was there or not wouldn’t affect anything today 500 years later.

I want to feel good but I can’t help thinking about these things. When I couple that with the way that my businesses and the way I work in consulting and the views of employment as a cost basis for tens of thousands of people it’s easy to just see that nothing matters. I know it’s not right but that’s how I wind up spiraling.
 

Pearl12

Well-Known Member
#9
I jump from “I need to accomplish” to “nothing ever done or that will be done will ever matter and I may as well just give up now”. I wind up saying “will what I do matter in 500 years” and I compare myself to a peasant in someplace like medieval France who lived his life, did nothing of importance and died and whether he was there or not wouldn’t affect anything today 500 years later.

I want to feel good but I can’t help thinking about these things. When I couple that with the way that my businesses and the way I work in consulting and the views of employment as a cost basis for tens of thousands of people it’s easy to just see that nothing matters. I know it’s not right but that’s how I wind up spiraling.
If you get on the nihilism train you eventually end up at "nothing matters and that's okay." 'Cause then you can just do what makes you happy. So... do that?

Me personally I'm at "we get to decide what matters to us and how we want to live our lives." So that's what I'm doing.

It’s all true but I’ve found it’s hard to just make the change as decades of depression and patterns of self evaluation are always there.
It is hard and it will probably never go away completely. But maybe if you decide that it matters to put in the work to try and change it then... enjoy the work and focus less on the outcome that will never be perfect? Since focusing only on the outcome was what got you here in the first place...

Which reminds me: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/unhappy
 
#10
I wind up saying “will what I do matter in 500 years” and I compare myself to a peasant in someplace like medieval France who lived his life, did nothing of importance and died and whether he was there or not wouldn’t affect anything today 500 years later
I think the current scientific understanding is that eventually the entire universe will dissolve into nothingness, trillions and trillions of years from now. The earth, humans, and all life will certainly be gone long before that. Then, once there is nothing, presumably a new universe will appear out of the nothingness if likewise our current universe appeared out of nothingness.

There was probably some peasant in medieval France who had a pretty good life. He ate some good food, made some art, had a great sex life, maybe did some good things to make his world a little better, maybe had family, and so on, and didn't worry so much about being forgotten in 500 years.

The past is always remembered, and the future always imagined, so in a certain sense, the only time that we can say is really real is right now.
 

seabird

meandering home
SF Supporter
#11
You're real to us, and important enough. The gold standard of success is a point on a linear scale, a measure invented by humans for humans. As an animal presently alive on this planet, you are real, graceful and gross, miserable and mighty, and all the other stuff. I hope you can read and get a sideways view of the linear scale. From the side, it is a point. I hope you'll find value in other ways and escape scales, comparisons, judgements. Not as a trick or discipline of the mind but for some peace.
 

LumberJack

Huggy Bear 🐻
#13
Those happy-sappy "Discover your life's true purpose" type questions have nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, to do with CBT. In fact they could be inimical to improvement in symptoms, which is what CBT is trying to help with. In an oversimplified summary, CBT is about understanding a few concepts, and practicing tools to change how we react to thoughts and upsets that hurt us. Cognitive distortions is one of the concepts, but it is about challenging our thoughts and only part of the strategy.

Okay after my rant, the question re: goals and failure, I am seeing in your posts so far that you think less of yourself for not accomplishing what I would call "Leonardo Da Vinci" level contributions. When I was younger, I thought my life would be worthless if I wasn't able to write a Ph D thesis in chemistry that would get a nobel prize, or something like that. I have mellowed out my view on that. Most goals do end in failure for anyone. We can deal with that as showing how worthless we are. Another option is to treat it as a stepping stone to the next achievement. This works with goals that are set for a year to 5 years or so, because if we do not meet them we still have time to learn and try something different to get there.

Nonetheless, I would say that for myself, achievement alone is no path to living a fulfilling life. I say this as an overachiever since age 6 going on out to age 40 or so. What I have learned is that it's okay to fail. The end result is not as important as what I learn along the way and how I use it now. This is probably not the same for you, but maybe this could be food for thought.
 

Jsinjin

SF Supporter
#14
For me it’s the combination of those high achievement goals, achieving some of them and still have so little control over life and realizing that so much of what I do doesn’t matter and won’t matter in the big picture. Then I start thinking “why do I want to matter?” And then I start thinking “why bother existing at all?”

I find that very few things make me happy, I’m constantly playing catch up and wishing I could just let things go and then I start thinking “if I didn’t exist I wouldn’t feel so bad and the people bothering me wouldn’t be able to force me to do things.”

it all comes back to an enormous disappointment about most decisions I’ve made, knowing none of them can be changed, looking at the series of failures and just seeing futility and despair as the future.

I’m not proud of my house or family or life. If I could do it all over I’d prevent myself from being born. I don’t believe in the butterfly flapping its wings view that “you may have smiled at someone and their whole life changed and they changed the world” because that’s the kind of platitude that I immediately calculate the odds of that in the world of the number of people there are and I find it almost nil. As I said with the peasant in France in 1600 or so, yes that peasant could have had a happy and wonderful
Life and we know nothing about them but my brain also says “if that peasant had not existed or took their own life what would have changed for the better or worse today or even 500 years from now?” And to say the reason is that this person peasant could have had impacts no one could see is really grabbing at the same hopeful futility that anyone does with some unknown; maybe it is something that’s a special pleading you can’t understand. That’s true but then you have to have the special pleading that “what if that persons life meant nothing, impacted nothing from start to finish and if they weee miserable and had a terrible time with no joy or accomplishments would it have mattered if they didn’t exist or took their own life or perhaps would thjngs have been much better?

I get up hating what I face every day. And it never stops. Sure I have the occasional cup of coffee that I enjoy. In a large way I’m embarrassed by who I am and where I am and it doesn’t matter to me that the rest of the world looks at my situation with envy. I don’t. What I would specifically like to change is to go back in time and redo many of the things that have brought me here. Not disappoint anyone, not marry an angry ocpd spouse who is a severe hoarder, not agree to things that tie me to work that never ends and has no purpose, above all be more successful in how I work and avoid people who need things from me at all costs.

That’s where my brain goes all the time whether I want it to or not. It’s what I struggle with. I don’t want to sort out how I look at things, I want to go back and fix things.
 

seabird

meandering home
SF Supporter
#15
Those are all easy things to say. It’s much harder to feel good about life and myself in it. I’m sure this will go away for a while and then come back again.
True. I'm in a similar low. Those were just some things I use, intellectually rather than emotionally, to calm down, sometimes they help.
 

Gard

Well-Known Member
#16
For me it’s the combination of those high achievement goals, achieving some of them and still have so little control over life and realizing that so much of what I do doesn’t matter and won’t matter in the big picture. Then I start thinking “why do I want to matter?” And then I start thinking “why bother existing at all?”

I find that very few things make me happy, I’m constantly playing catch up and wishing I could just let things go and then I start thinking “if I didn’t exist I wouldn’t feel so bad and the people bothering me wouldn’t be able to force me to do things.”

it all comes back to an enormous disappointment about most decisions I’ve made, knowing none of them can be changed, looking at the series of failures and just seeing futility and despair as the future.

I’m not proud of my house or family or life. If I could do it all over I’d prevent myself from being born. I don’t believe in the butterfly flapping its wings view that “you may have smiled at someone and their whole life changed and they changed the world” because that’s the kind of platitude that I immediately calculate the odds of that in the world of the number of people there are and I find it almost nil. As I said with the peasant in France in 1600 or so, yes that peasant could have had a happy and wonderful
Life and we know nothing about them but my brain also says “if that peasant had not existed or took their own life what would have changed for the better or worse today or even 500 years from now?” And to say the reason is that this person peasant could have had impacts no one could see is really grabbing at the same hopeful futility that anyone does with some unknown; maybe it is something that’s a special pleading you can’t understand. That’s true but then you have to have the special pleading that “what if that persons life meant nothing, impacted nothing from start to finish and if they weee miserable and had a terrible time with no joy or accomplishments would it have mattered if they didn’t exist or took their own life or perhaps would thjngs have been much better?

I get up hating what I face every day. And it never stops. Sure I have the occasional cup of coffee that I enjoy. In a large way I’m embarrassed by who I am and where I am and it doesn’t matter to me that the rest of the world looks at my situation with envy. I don’t. What I would specifically like to change is to go back in time and redo many of the things that have brought me here. Not disappoint anyone, not marry an angry ocpd spouse who is a severe hoarder, not agree to things that tie me to work that never ends and has no purpose, above all be more successful in how I work and avoid people who need things from me at all costs.

That’s where my brain goes all the time whether I want it to or not. It’s what I struggle with. I don’t want to sort out how I look at things, I want to go back and fix things.
Sometimes I regret that life is not a computer game where you can load a saved game and start from where you left off...
 

Jsinjin

SF Supporter
#17
Sometimes I regret that life is not a computer game where you can load a saved game and start from where you left off...
Yeah. I don’t like that idea. But I do wish I had the benefit of more wisdom much earlier. My life is an easy thing but unfulfilling to me with so many things working out in ways the opposite of what I dream of. Time is a mess for me with way more activities pulling for it than available time. And many many people want my help but can’t make their own needs work without me so they resort of lots of ways to convince me to do things.
 

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