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Empathy and Advice Welcomed My pet's anxiety is really getting to me.

maybeicanheal

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#1
I recently blew up my entire life and I am starting all over. 32, living with my parents- going to be divorced, going to an IOP program for the first time, most likely will lose my job, lost all of my friends...the works, in other words.

My dog loves my parents house but she must be anxious over the transition. She's losing a lot of fur, and she's not eating well. I am trying to tell myself its only been a few days and to give her time- but she doesn't want me to be even out of her sight for a moment right now, and my brain is telling me it's because she somehow knows about my recent attempt and that she is scared for me/so anxious due to all of the very recent change.

I'm scared I'm not strong enough to help her through this. I'm scared my dog will hate me for ruining her family and taking her away from the only home and other mom she's ever known. Right now the guilt and the shame are just eating me alive. I hate how much help I need just to exist right now. I resent myself for not being strong enough to just keep going and for not getting help years and years ago.
 

Lisa the Goatgirl

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I think in a way you're right. Pets, especially dogs, tend to be very good at picking up on our emotions. I'm not sure if it's a pheromone thing, or environmental, or just because they're uniquely fixated on our behavioural patterns, but they do. So i would suspect that your dog is picking up on the fact that you're very agitated and anxious yourself, so she doesn't know what exactly, but that there's something to be afraid of.

In a way this can be a constructive thing, because it means the best thing you can do for your dog's health is to practice caring for yourself, and being kind towards yourself. It gives you an external motivation to approach yourself with empathy, which i think is needed for everyone's sake here. Your dog is just expressing empathy with how you're feeling, for better or worse she goes through everything with you, because she still loves you, even now. If she's feeling awful, it's because you feel awful. Beating yourself up because "i'm making my dog suffer" doesn't help anyone, it just creates a neverending spiral.

I read your thread explaining what you did, although i didn't respond because i didn't have any insight to offer at the time. And it sounds like there may be some kind of impulse there to sabotage your own happiness and wellbeing. Something like that, it keeps on happening until you identify the root cause of the impulse and resolve it. So if you can try to be kind towards yourself, it'll help you do better, it'll help your dog calm down, and it'll be better for your wife, because it means you can come to her with an understanding of why you did this, and realistic prospects for why you may be able to stop being that guy.

You're human, and you made a very human mistake. Self-flagellation isn't the solution to that, making steps to earnestly make amends and do better is. And counter-intuitively, the first step is to try and forgive yourself. Not saying it's ok, not pretending you did no harm, just forgiving yourself for screwing up, and resolving to improve instead of wallow.
 

maybeicanheal

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#3
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I think in a way you're right. Pets, especially dogs, tend to be very good at picking up on our emotions. I'm not sure if it's a pheromone thing, or environmental, or just because they're uniquely fixated on our behavioural patterns, but they do. So i would suspect that your dog is picking up on the fact that you're very agitated and anxious yourself, so she doesn't know what exactly, but that there's something to be afraid of.

In a way this can be a constructive thing, because it means the best thing you can do for your dog's health is to practice caring for yourself, and being kind towards yourself. It gives you an external motivation to approach yourself with empathy, which i think is needed for everyone's sake here. Your dog is just expressing empathy with how you're feeling, for better or worse she goes through everything with you, because she still loves you, even now. If she's feeling awful, it's because you feel awful. Beating yourself up because "i'm making my dog suffer" doesn't help anyone, it just creates a neverending spiral.

I read your thread explaining what you did, although i didn't respond because i didn't have any insight to offer at the time. And it sounds like there may be some kind of impulse there to sabotage your own happiness and wellbeing. Something like that, it keeps on happening until you identify the root cause of the impulse and resolve it. So if you can try to be kind towards yourself, it'll help you do better, it'll help your dog calm down, and it'll be better for your wife, because it means you can come to her with an understanding of why you did this, and realistic prospects for why you may be able to stop being that guy.

You're human, and you made a very human mistake. Self-flagellation isn't the solution to that, making steps to earnestly make amends and do better is. And counter-intuitively, the first step is to try and forgive yourself. Not saying it's ok, not pretending you did no harm, just forgiving yourself for screwing up, and resolving to improve instead of wallow.
Your comment means so much to me. I cried when I read it, then cried again just now re-reading it, so thank you.

I could never pretend I did no harm or that it's okay- in a way I'm scared I'll torture myself to death over everything I've done wrong. But you're so right about identifying the root cause, and working on myself until I can be a safe person again.

Thank you, again.
 

Lisa the Goatgirl

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#4
Your comment means so much to me. I cried when I read it, then cried again just now re-reading it, so thank you.

I could never pretend I did no harm or that it's okay- in a way I'm scared I'll torture myself to death over everything I've done wrong. But you're so right about identifying the root cause, and working on myself until I can be a safe person again.

Thank you, again.
I'm glad to know it helped to hear that. :)
Sometimes i worry i talk too much, or get too preachy, so it helps to hear it resonated.

It sounds like you've not gotten much empathy or understanding in all this. I can understand why people are being like that, but as i say, you're a human being, with your own complex reasons informing your behaviour, same as anyone. And your emotional needs still matter. This whole thing is a manifestation of some inner turmoil, and should be treated as such. Everyone should be focusing on how to best resolve the harm that's been done, and compassion is key to that imo.

I wish you the best in finding peace with yourself and your wife, and hope you do what you can to look after yourself and your dog, because you both deserve a happy future still. *hug
 

Shinzon1

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As far as I understand it most dogs have a iq on par with a toddler so it's not unreasonable to believe that it's having some degree of issues but I would strongly recommend not overthinking the process as far as the dog is concerned.
 

maybeicanheal

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I wonder if your wife could take your dog some of the time, or if that would end up being too upsetting for her.

Would you be able to stay with your wife for maybe a few days a month?
I'd like us to get to a point where our dog could see her, and maybe have a sleepover with her sometimes, but that won't be feasible with where she's moving (there's another dog there/too small) and I don't think our dog would do well with shared custody. She's a lover and very pack oriented and I think the switching might confuse her more than help her.
 
#8
(there's another dog there/too small) and I don't think our dog would do well with shared custody
The thing I've heard is that if you introduce dogs to each other on neutral territory, and they get along, they'll usually still get along if the new dog is brought into the home. I'm not sure if that would work, but maybe.

It might also be that your dog is too attached to you to tolerate being away.
 

maybeicanheal

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The thing I've heard is that if you introduce dogs to each other on neutral territory, and they get along, they'll usually still get along if the new dog is brought into the home. I'm not sure if that would work, but maybe.

It might also be that your dog is too attached to you to tolerate being away.
My dog really cannot stand male dogs. I've tried that technique in the past but somehow it seems to always escalate unexpectedly- as in I think it's going fine, and then my dog gets very upset when the other dog tries to smell her. So I don't foresee shared custody- but I'm really hoping for more just...I don't know. A way to deal with the shame and guilt of knowing she's going to be sad for a bit, but in the long run okay? I hope? I cannot bare the thought of her being sad forever.
 
#10
A way to deal with the shame and guilt of knowing she's going to be sad for a bit, but in the long run okay? I hope? I cannot bare the thought of her being sad forever.
Could you get couples counseling, but maybe with a goal of parting on good terms rather than getting back together? I think there are also some couples counseling phone apps that members here have recommended.

It's good that you care about her. I hope she knows that.
 

maybeicanheal

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Could you get couples counseling, but maybe with a goal of parting on good terms rather than getting back together? I think there are also some couples counseling phone apps that members here have recommended.

It's good that you care about her. I hope she knows that.
I do not think my wife is in any position or amenable to that at all. She wants absolutely nothing to do with me at the moment.
 

AlopexAngel

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Dogwise and having worked at a dog daycare where ex's share custody---don't. It's stressful on the dog to change locations, people, and routines. Logistically, it gets complicated and uncomfortable.

Speaking to your dog's state of mind, likely they are picking up on recent events and getting anxious. However, your dog will always love you unconditionally. That's what makes them so great. You are her home, not whatever building or lack thereof you live in. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other so to speak. You got this.
 

maybeicanheal

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#14
Dogwise and having worked at a dog daycare where ex's share custody---don't. It's stressful on the dog to change locations, people, and routines. Logistically, it gets complicated and uncomfortable.

Speaking to your dog's state of mind, likely they are picking up on recent events and getting anxious. However, your dog will always love you unconditionally. That's what makes them so great. You are her home, not whatever building or lack thereof you live in. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other so to speak. You got this.
thank you for the advice. I don’t want to share custody because I know my dog and I know she’d be confused and anxious by the switching, and she would not like the home my ex will be moving to. I feel pretty confident I’m making the right call in saying she’s my dog now but my ex someday might be able to visit or see her.

She seems to be mellowing a bit. She likes having me here I think and feels better when we’re in the same room for now.
 

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